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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Help explain 'out of place' functions to me?

    I often see people with their functions in their signatures, and they contradict their type to some extent. I know that not everyone fits the classic top functions of their type, but like, is it really possible? For example, is it possible for an INTP to have Te in their top four functions, provided they are still Ti dom?
    Even in myself, I wonder. I seem to fit most descriptions of Ni to a T (I even predicted the future in a dream a few days ago), yet (as an ENTP) Ne seems to fit me really well too. Possibly not even as well as Ti, though I have a lot of Ne traits -- my mind is a mess, I start projects I never finish, I'm a very "what if" kind of person who will blurt out seemingly random things out of nowhere (they're not out of nowhere for me! My thoughts sort of branch out, like a tree.) The funny thing is, also, though I use a lot of Ti, I still use Te. But usually, my Te only comes out when I'm working on a project I'd really like to complete.
    So can someone explain this to me?
    I think for some people, those contradictory functions are learned behaviors, right? Like, I think I might have "learned" Ni and Te, I don't know if they come naturally to me, I think I probably picked them up somewhere down the line as I got older.
    Is that likely?


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    INFP - The Idealists

    If we're going by Jung's original explanations, then no, it's not possible to be an INTP with Te, or any other out of place combination. Everyone thinks, feels, senses and intuits, but they can't have both sensing functions or both thinking functions, or both of any for that matter.

    The tests will never get the functions completely right, when simplified they can look very similar to one another. Ne and Ni both get hunches, Te and Ti both go by logic. You still only have one of each though.
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    ESTP - The Doers

    Check my explanation on Ti and Te here: My take on Ti vs Te
    It may help you a little. If you ask me beacause of so many stereotypish descriptions you may think that they are very different.
    Also Ne+Ti can look a lot like Ni (Ne brainstorms until it finds a nice idea, and then Ti starts analyzing it by going deeper and deeper)

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevaN View Post
    Check my explanation on Ti and Te here: My take on Ti vs Te
    It may help you a little. If you ask me beacause of so many stereotypish descriptions you may think that they are very different.
    Also Ne+Ti can look a lot like Ni (Ne brainstorms until it finds a nice idea, and then Ti starts analyzing it by going deeper and deeper)
    Based on that description, the Te thing seems like something I would do. But I don't account it to Te, I know my Te isn't very strong. If it were strong, I wouldn't have tons of unfinished projects lying around everywhere, lol. The only time my Te really comes out is when I say, "I'm going to get this task done, I'm actually going to follow through with this," and I split my task up into sections and tackle them one by one. (...that IS Te, right? Or is that Ti? Oops.)
    Anyways, the reason I know my Ti is stronger than my Te, among a lot of other reasons...number one is that all of my logic is internal. The way I feel about something can be swayed by what other people say, but when it comes to whether something makes sense -- I go by my own rules, and the only way you'll change my mind is if you show me some sort of concrete, proven fact that my logic in that one situation is wrong. But...that has yet to happen. I've never had someone call me illogical, lol, even if I get a few facts wrong here and there...I think I have a pretty well-built internal sense of logic.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Everyone uses all the functions and we each have a dominant which we prefer most naturally.
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    Unknown Personality

    A reason I can think of for having both is if the person taking the cognitive functions quiz was under some kind of stress or unhappy while taking it--one or some of your shadow functions. For example, Te is one of my shadow functions and it comes out in raging force when I'm not in "normal" mode. @Title: I do think that's Te at work; in my observations, Te doms are much more task-oriented than Ti-doms; and in problem solving situations, they prefer the solution as opposed to Ti, which prefers the solving process.

    I too have a well-developed sense of what is "logical..." until my shadow functions come out and my Fe-dom mom tells me I'm being "illogical." Fastest reality check ever.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by kasthu View Post
    A reason I can think of for having both is if the person taking the cognitive functions quiz was under some kind of stress or unhappy while taking it--one or some of your shadow functions. For example, Te is one of my shadow functions and it comes out in raging force when I'm not in "normal" mode. @Title: I do think that's Te at work; in my observations, Te doms are much more task-oriented than Ti-doms; and in problem solving situations, they prefer the solution as opposed to Ti, which prefers the solving process.

    I too have a well-developed sense of what is "logical..." until my shadow functions come out and my Fe-dom mom tells me I'm being "illogical." Fastest reality check ever.
    I don't think so. It must not be impossible for people to use a significant amount of both if it occurs so commonly...right? Some people just use both, it doesn't seem that far off to me, but again I think it might have something to do with "learned behavior" vs. "natural behavior".
    As for Te vs. Ti - I actually care more about the solution, because then you get that feeling of "yes I actually did it" and you don't have to worry about it anymore, you know? But if it's something I enjoyed, I'll continue the project. So yes, I guess it comes out a lot when I'm getting stuff done, like projects. But if I don't want to do something, Te is nowhere to be found, funny how that works.

    Ooh, I have a Fe-dom aunt. She never tells me I'm being "illogical", just "insensitive". She'll complain at me for not noticing little details, then she'll start yelling, then I'll defend myself, then she'll make jabs about me living alone because I care too much about what I think and not how other people feel. I love her, but it's a vicious cycle

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    ESTP - The Doers

    This is my opinion, but if you were to ask me, when you check if something is logical or not I really can't see how you could do it externally. So I say that when it comes to checking if something is logical or not there is no difference between Te and Ti. I know what the Ti description says "that Ti users have an internal sense of blablabla" but that seems like nonsense to me. If I am wrong please corect me.

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    ESTP - The Doers

    Oh yeah and btw to say that if you have a lot of unfinished projects that means your Te is weak seems like weak logic.
    There are countless reasons for you not finishing your projects that have nothing to do with Te. Some of them are:
    -you have found a more interesting project to work on
    -you find a more promising project
    -you no longer see any reason to work on the actual project because......(insert anything you want)
    -the reward for finishing a project is no longer desired
    -you hit a brick wall and you put the project on stand-by
    -you find a better way to achieve your goal
    -you are bored by the actual project; you start another one
    -you have numerous goals and one project won't achieve them all
    -etc etc etc

    I hope you see my point.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevaN View Post
    This is my opinion, but if you were to ask me, when you check if something is logical or not I really can't see how you could do it externally. So I say that when it comes to checking if something is logical or not there is no difference between Te and Ti. I know what the Ti description says "that Ti users have an internal sense of blablabla" but that seems like nonsense to me. If I am wrong please corect me.
    Then what's the difference between them?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevaN View Post
    Oh yeah and btw to say that if you have a lot of unfinished projects that means your Te is weak seems like weak logic.
    There are countless reasons for you not finishing your projects that have nothing to do with Te. Some of them are:
    -you have found a more interesting project to work on
    -you find a more promising project
    -you no longer see any reason to work on the actual project because......(insert anything you want)
    -the reward for finishing a project is no longer desired
    -you hit a brick wall and you put the project on stand-by
    -you find a better way to achieve your goal
    -you are bored by the actual project; you start another one
    -you have numerous goals and one project won't achieve them all
    -etc etc etc

    I hope you see my point.
    So what function do you think those represent?


 
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