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    Something I Don't Understand About Fi Doms & Authenticity

    Introverted Feeling seems to have a correlation, especially the higher in the stack it is, to being authentic to the self. It seems true, especially when I observe it in other Fi doms. They seem to dislike fakery. However, if I had to take it apart, I wouldn't say this is the real reason for the correlation. I think the reason for the correlation is less superficial. It's more like they have certain values that they prioritise, all from a subjective and inner place within themselves, and they want to adhere to that. They also seem to apply this outward to the external world and don't like seeing these values dismissed.

    HYPOTHETICAL
    So here's a question, could an Fi Dom, who does not value being true to themselves, have the goal/value of being the person they want to be instead of who they truly are? Keep in mind I said Introverted Feeling Dom.
    Dom. Not any lower.


    I can't see why not. It's a personal and subjective value, it's to seek internal harmony, it doesn't necessarily mean it will do any good or bad or any kind of impact at all for the external world and it's not for others but for themselves, because it's how they would like to see themselves turn out. Therefore it's all introverted feeling?

    There will probably be arguments for Te would overtake Fi in this scenario, but why exactly?
    I can't see Te, an objective and efficient mentality overall, thinking this is a practical use of their time, especially when it serves no purpose but to benefit their feelings of congruence and harmony with their inner values, therefore would Fi/introverted feeling, preceed Te?

    There will probably be arguments who also are on par with it being completely possible that introverted feeling doms don't necessarily have to be true to themselves... but then why does it seem, in most cases in which I've met them, that they don't have any other form of agenda or second nature than to be themselves naturally and why does "fake ness" seem to irritate them? I've even seen it written theoretically in articles and such but none go as deep as to why this is correlated with introverted feeling especially. I'm sure even Fe doesn't like fakeness either but they're not as highly correlated or associated with this as Fi. Got any ideas there?
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    You could say Fi strives for consistency with their values and morals; therefore in turn being authentic.

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    Not to toot my own horn but I am a definitely example of this.
    Ive been getting good grades recently and finding success in life and in work and it's all because I repeat the mantra that "I value success", "I value being organized", "I value getting to work on time" "I value being patient and waiting for a better time to talk about this" etc. etc. I find that gives me an extra umph of motivation when I don't genuinely feel like doing something be Te tells me I should.

    If that.. Makes sense... O.o

    In turn I do not care necessarily about being genuine as I used to. It does happen though. Currently I'm struggling with balancing motherhood, work and school and my Fi wants motherhood to win. My Fi wants to have a part time job and only take one class at a time. I do, I really do. But I need to balance all three and it's a struggle so I'm stressed AF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by narcissistic View Post
    You could say Fi strives for consistency with their values and morals; therefore in turn being authentic.
    Your comment touches on the question I want to ask the OP: what is the difference between being true to oneself and adhering to one's values? Put another way, if values were created by and/or are held by the self, isn't adhering to them an example of being true to oneself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benty Fagatronicus View Post
    Your comment touches on the question I want to ask the OP: what is the difference between being true to oneself and adhering to one's values? Put another way, if values were created by and/or are held by the self, isn't adhering to them an example of being true to oneself?
    But what if that one value is being dismissive of all other values? For example, it's in their nature to like animals and become in awe at them, but because the Fi Dom thinks this is childish behaviour, they try and adapt themselves to the opposite, which is still technically an inner value for them too. It's kind of a flick one, gain one thing? It's still being true themselves.. but is it? Not too sure
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    INFP

    Fi would be true to it's own 'inner world' values, just as Fe would be true to its own 'outer world' values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benty Fagatronicus View Post
    Your comment touches on the question I want to ask the OP: what is the difference between being true to oneself and adhering to one's values? Put another way, if values were created by and/or are held by the self, isn't adhering to them an example of being true to oneself?
    It is the same thing.
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    Well striving for authenticity is one thing.
    Being it, is something different.
    Fi doms are not exempt from projection and biases just because they are trying to follow their values.

    After all if there is an inner conflict for whatever reason
    the whole complex assosiated with the issue might be cut off.
    The Fi-dom would go into massive defence mechanisms each and every time the issue came up.
    It doesn't then matter if the real world or behaviours are shaped by the value or not.
    As every other introvert under pressure, their chief value would be denied.
    And they would suffer under the burden of holding to something that is impossible.
    Compromises will then have to be made with the objective world.
    Or else the Fi-dom will be heading for neurotic territory, also called loops.
    If the pressure becomes even greater a psychosis will be the end result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WintersFlame View Post
    Introverted Feeling seems to have a correlation, especially the higher in the stack it is, to being authentic to the self. It seems true, especially when I observe it in other Fi doms. They seem to dislike fakery. However, if I had to take it apart, I wouldn't say this is the real reason for the correlation. I think the reason for the correlation is less superficial. It's more like they have certain values that they prioritise, all from a subjective and inner place within themselves, and they want to adhere to that. They also seem to apply this outward to the external world and don't like seeing these values dismissed.

    HYPOTHETICAL
    So here's a question, could an Fi Dom, who does not value being true to themselves, have the goal/value of being the person they want to be instead of who they truly are? Keep in mind I said Introverted Feeling Dom.
    Dom. Not any lower.


    I can't see why not. It's a personal and subjective value, it's to seek internal harmony, it doesn't necessarily mean it will do any good or bad or any kind of impact at all for the external world and it's not for others but for themselves, because it's how they would like to see themselves turn out.



    There will probably be arguments who also are on par with it being completely possible that introverted feeling doms don't necessarily have to be true to themselves... but then why does it seem, in most cases in which I've met them, that they don't have any other form of agenda or second nature than to be themselves naturally and why does "fake ness" seem to irritate them?
    As an ESFP, my Fi is my auxiliary function...not dom, but I figure since its high enough in my stack I can contribute :)

    Fakeness...this hits home for me. I cannot tolerate fake people AT ALL. I strive for consistency with, like @narcissistic said, my values and morals. But that spills over into consistency with people and their actions. For example, Person A says they want to get to know me better, but don`t show the effort to due so. So, I see this person as inconsistent and therefor to some degree "fake"

    Touching on being who they want to be vs who they truly are, the only conflict ive had with this was choosing my major. Being in choir for most of my life, vocal performance was my calling. However, I wanted to be someone who would make good money, so I decided that VP was not the best route to take. I figure this applies to the question in some degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WintersFlame View Post
    They seem to dislike fakery. However, if I had to take it apart, I wouldn't say this is the real reason for the correlation. I think the reason for the correlation is less superficial. It's more like they have certain values that they prioritise, all from a subjective and inner place within themselves, and they want to adhere to that. They also seem to apply this outward to the external world and don't like seeing these values dismissed.
    I agree, the idea that Fi types exclusively dislike fake emotional expression is a myth. How are Fe types supposed to relate to Fe rather than Fi? Especially if their enneagram is type 4.

    Both Fi and Fe types can have that integrity. But they decide their values differently, Fi from within and Fe from an external influence.

    A better method to understand the different between extroverted and introverted functions is to understand the difference between subjectivity and objectivity - rather than depth vs breadth. Such as saying that Ni synthesises ideas and Ne brainstorms them. It might not be entirely false, but this approach causes some confusion and stereotypes.

    I've even seen it written theoretically in articles and such but none go as deep as to why this is correlated with introverted feeling especially. I'm sure even Fe doesn't like fakeness either but they're not as highly correlated or associated with this as Fi. Got any ideas there?
    I would like to see thoughts on this too.


     
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