In Persuasion, Captain Benwick seems like an INFJ, I forgot to write that :)
In Persuasion, Captain Benwick seems like an INFJ, I forgot to write that :)
I don't see Elizabeth as remotely focused on propriety for propriety's sake or for the sake of others, as a Fe user would be. If she cared more for convention and social standards, she wouldn't show up places with her hem covered in mud, or back-talk her elders, or be known for her pert opinions. (Also, if she were Fe, she would have been at least A LITTLE conflicted about turning down Mr. Collins, since marrying him would give her family much-needed security.)
I think, as you supposed, that her desire for "proper behavior" amongst her family (as I pointed out above, she doesn't hold herself to the same standards!) was more tied to her extroversion and/or her auxiliary Fi. And when I say Fi, I also mean pride, because Fi is very much about sense of self. One of the main themes of the book is that they share the same two faults in different ways; though Elizabeth accused Darcy of being prideful, it was her hurt pride that made her form a rash judgement about him. So basically, to avoid embarrassment and hurt pride, she advocated good manners and propriety.
I completely agree with you about her being N-dom due to her quick (and incorrect) judgements. We see her having much more success in her perceptions, such as feeling that Bingley does love Jane even though he went away. (On a side note, the different way that these two sisters perceive the same information here is a perfect contrast between sensing and intuition.) You are right about ENFPs being a bit slower or less likely to judge, but that all goes out the window if Fi has been violated or our emotions are involved! And notice that with all 3 rash judgements, her values and/or emotions were involved: Darcy hurt her pride, she had a crush on Wickham, Charlotte was marrying a man she didn't love! ::Gasp!:: (I've also noticed from my INFJ boss and ISFJ mother that Fe rash judgements tend to come from a person failing to adhere to proper social standards/moral codes, rather than from a violation of strongly held values.)
And finally, the fact that Elizabeth needs her alone time doesn't mean that she's an introvert. It seems to me that she, in typical ENFP fashion, swings like a pendulum from lively social activity, to solitary reflection. I enjoy plenty of alone time, but unlike a true introvert, it doesn't energize me, so I usually spend it passively either reading or thinking. Perhaps this is exactly why Elizabeth never spent much time practicing her piano forte! Introverts are much better at actually being productive when alone.
Another thing that points to her extroversion is the fact that she shares her thoughts, feelings, and opinions very openly with just about anyone, regardless of how well she knows them. Compare Elizabeth with introverted Jane; Jane hides her feelings even from her own beloved sister! Elizabeth, on the other hand, had known Wickham less than a day before she told him of her dislike of Darcy and Mr. Collins, and other very personal information. I can't imagine an INFJ being this trusting, or any introvert being that open!
But introverts can be open, avantgardearmy! My INFJ sister is one of the most sociable people I know - you can't guess she's introverted unless you know her well. She sometimes feel slightly shy, and before I told her about the MBTI, she thought she was a "shy extrovert". But when she thought it through, she knew she was an introvert. Anyway - introverts can be really, really open. As they can be really closed to themselves.
When I was new to the MBTI and I saw a thread on fictional INFJ characters, Lizzie Bennett also appeared on a list. But since I sometimes identified more with Mr Darcy, I thought that maybe Lizzie was an extroverted type and Mr Darcy an INFJ and I always thought it would be a shame since I found him attractive as a character but would never actually want to be in a relationship with a fellow INFJ. Now, upon finding myself in love with an INTJ, I read through a lot of INTJ relationship posts and one of them said that Mr Darcy is the perfect example of an INTJ in love. It made me rethink Pride and Prejudice and rewatch the 2005 version. I believe that Keira Knightly's depiction of Lizzie can probably be analysed as different types, but you can definitely see her as an INFJ. I now understand the dynamic between them on a new level. Also, it should be noted that INFJs usually are the most outgoing introverts. Especially around people I know well (like my family) I can be really outgoing and goofy. That is why I used to think I was an extrovert before I took the MBTI for the first time. Since a lot of the private moments that would show Lizzie's introverted character are not important to the storyline, the movie might give the impression that Lizzie is constantly out in society. In reality, the balls and events they go to are scattered over a long time. I believe most INFJs would really enjoy a well organised big social event among good company every now and then. So that's why she doesn't just grumpily sit in a corner, refusing to dance. Also, out of the two of them, Lizzie is definitely less introverted than Darcy. Around my INTJ I also feel like the extroverted one and I try to be witty and a bit playful and flirtatious. Around an INTJ, I can truely feel like we are equals. Remember when Lizzie says to her father at the end: "He and I are so similar." Well, that is astonishingly true for my INTJ and me, at least so far. So take it from someone with immediate experience: Mr Darcy and Lizzie are approved as INTJ and INFJ.
Darcy and Elizabeth are definitely INTJ and INFJ respectively. I think Lizzie's Ni and Fe are quite obvious in the book, and in most of the adaptations. If she were an ENFP, she'd have to have Ne and Fi, and I think she seems more ENFP-ish in the 2005 film and in the musical version with Laura Osnes ("When I Fall in Love" is very much an Fi song, you'd almost think it's INFP).
Elizabeth is an ENFP in the book. In the Lizzie Bennet Diaries, she's an INFJ.
Am I the only one who thinks Marianne and Elinor could be switched in terms of I and E? I read on another forum or at least another thread that someone pointed out how Marianne has no friends, isn't actually all that sociable, but Elinor, though quieter, has no problems interacting with people and actually seems to get along better with them than Marianne. That made sense to me. Not all passionate romantics are outgoing and sociable, and not all unromantic, sensible people are shy or socially awkward.
Also see Emma as an ESFJ, but maybe not. could be ESFP.
EXACTLY! I totally agree with you, Wintercat. Marianne is probably an introvert (I'm 95% sure actually) because, as you pointed out, she isn't at all sociable and doesn't seek social interaction. She has zero friends, and dismisses anyone who tries to be her friend if she doesn't like them (she becomes friends with Colonel Brandon at first, but she stops after she finds out he would want to marry her because she never saw him in such a way. Like she says in the mini series, "he's the only one in the neighborhood I can have an intelligent conversation with!" which is actually something I say a lot... she just acts too much like an introvert to make her an extrovert simply because of how excessively passionate and romantic she is). Elinor is probably an ESFJ, but I can see ISFJ too. She has many friends and has no difficulty with it; she's very open and friendly, actually, but she is overly sensible which might make her seem cold sometimes. I'm pretty sure Mrs. Dashwood is an ENFJ, which is why she and Marianne get along so well.
I think Emma has a lot of Ne, but I can see Ni too - she always stroke me as ENFJ, but I might be wrong. She is definitely intuitive, though, considering she sees so many possibilities with literally everything.
Lizzie Bennet Diaries interpretations of the characters:
Lizzie: p6w7 4w3 1w2. (This is going to stir up some controversy, but she was very 6ish in this interpretation, constantly worrying about everyone else, frightened to leave home, looking out for her sister Lydia... Strong 4 fix though. Integrates to 9 and finds peace through letting go of her fears and biases.)
Charlotte: p6w5. (Security, introversion, practicality. Definitely a thinking type.)
Jane: 9w1 2w1 6w5 (Cheerful, accepting, peaceful, not knowing what she wants, hiding her feelings, taking care of everyone)
Bing Lee: 9w1. (Another cheerful one who doesn't exactly know what he wants...)
Lydia: 7w8 4w3 8w9 (Energetic, needs stimulation, seems not to take things seriously on the surface, but strong 4 fix leads to feelings of abandonment. Wants to be understood.)
Mr. Collins: 3w2 5w6 9w1 (In the book, I didn't like him, but in this adaptation, I have a soft spot for the eccentric and talkative Mr. Collins... I kind of feel sorry for him. Ambitious and successful, but doesn't take social cues well. Like an awkward puppy dog!)
Mr. Darcy: 4w5 6w5 1w9 (Elitist, withdrawn, pooh-poohs at common socializing, but cares enough about others to get involved in their lives. Manipulation and desperation relates to the disintegration of 4. Integrates to 1 and finds his best self through helping others.)
Mrs. Bennett: 2w1 stereotype :P
Sense and Sensibility: One of my favorite novels
Elinor Dashwood -INTJ
Marianne Dashwood -ENFP
Edward Ferrars -IXFP
Colonel Brandon -INFJ
Pride and Prejudice
Elizabeth Bennett -?
Mr. Darcy -INTJ
Emma Woodhouse -ENXJ
Mr. Knightley -INTJ
Persuasion: Another favorite
Anne Elliott -INXJ