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What Feeling types don't understand about INTJs

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by , 12-03-2011 at 01:30 PM (663 Views)
We're not purposely trying to hurt your feelings, (unless you yourself have been a jerk and somehow we were magically aware of it).

We just don't place any value on human emotions, quite honestly. Or at least, I don't. In fact, stoicism seems to be an ideal practice, but I wouldn't necessarily follow it as I would a religion. Other INTJs, as well as I, believe that emotions are for the weak. (At least..I think other INTJs think this..). Being able to endure pain is just a part of life - and controlling other emotions such as sadness and happiness are just as irrelevant to success.

I'll just speak for myself here:

Success is my main goal. If I have to play people's emotions to succeed in life, sure, because success is my goal. Yes, I place value in my friendships, but not as much as personal achievements. I don't think that's coming off as a jerk. Not only that, but half the time I'm unaware that I'm even hurting someone's feelings.

I think that this is easier for women to understand when I use this analogy: It's like when you ask someone if a dress makes you look fat - you want the HONEST answer, not something to make you feel good even if it's bull. Undeserved compliments are for the insecure, and those giving them need to grow a pair.

That said - I know I don't understand a lot about Feeing types, but I'll just summarize what I said in a few words: Your feelings don't matter to me, as well as mine. They're irrelevant in the world we live in - and with my being a Christian - I believe the only thing that's going to matter is what good we do in the world. If that includes being nice, yes, I'll be nice if that's what God wants - but not just for the sake of being nice. It's not part of my nature.

*Also, if it seems like there are a lot of contradictions in here - it's my 6w5 coming out in me...
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  1. Individualist's Avatar
    Honestly, I think INTJs I do generally place importance on emotions to some extent. F is the third most developed function, but it's an introverted function, do INTJs don't generally like to express or project emotion. They do feel them though and sometimes very deeply. It's kind of ironic that you say this as an INTJ too because you claim not to care about emotion but that leaves the rest of us to wonder if you're just saying that to introvert what you don't want to project :)
  2. paintsaint11's Avatar
    Hmm I don't know. I used to be a crybaby as a kid, and I'm disgusted with my younger self now. It's possible that I'm just hiding under this, and I understand what you're saying. I discussed with my friend, and when it comes to feelings yes I'll preserve other's feelings if it comes down to a matter of being a jerk or not, but when efficiency and..well..success, is related, I don't give a crap about feelings.
  3. refugee's Avatar
    As an INFP, I understand where you're coming from, I know quite a few INTJ's who have expressed the same opinion to me. But I would like to point out that emotions and feelings are a natural part of our humanity and can often be expressed for "good" purposes.

    For example, crying. Crying can be a natural extension of ourselves. When a loved one dies, crying is common, even acceptable, and can bring healing in the grieving process. Even Jesus wept when Lazarus died. Why didn't Jesus hide his painful emotion? Also, the Bible doesn't record it, but I'm sure Jesus laughed a lot, especially as someone with a sharp wit like his (take the log out of your own eye before you take out the speck of your brother's eye).

    As far as enduring pain, I think that's a whole different story, as it's not exactly a repression of emotion or feelings, but a mixture of different components, often exhibited by mental, spiritual focus and dedication. In other words, you take painful emotions and let it wash over you, but you keep pressing on toward the goal, whatever it may be. I also think it's quite logical to think that success is everything, but there can be a dark side to pursuing success at the expense of neglecting emotions.

    As a 4w5, I get accused of being aloof and distant all the time. I'm the classic loner, so my thoughts aren't always on other people's needs. So, in that sense, I can identify with your inner need to pursue what is true to your real self.

    Anyways, all that to say, thanks for this post, it made me think about the rational side of my personality a bit more.
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  4. white-knuckle's Avatar
    I think Jesus was an INFJ or theorized as being. He more than likely was an intuitive feeler. I think everyone has a role in life and we fill it in different ways. Though I think it's enhancing to consider the other functions other types use. Or at the very least pair up with other types to succeed.

    I dated an INTJ he really hated ISFP types. He basically disliked skateboarders and artists. He was a computer programmer and when it came to functionality and code he was phenomenal. But when it came to visual aspects he didn't know how to market himself at all. The very type that would've helped him with his weakness wouldve been the type he chose not to associate with.
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