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What is the core of religion?

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by , 05-02-2011 at 02:01 PM (392 Views)
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I’m curious as to what you think about what religion is at its very core. After you strip away its rituals, traditions and history, what’s left? What is it that fascinates our species so much that the notion of religion gracefully survived the “Enlightenment?” There's something there, so what is it? I don't think its something found in any one holy book, but something extraordinarily immediate. As is said in Islam, "Allâh is closer to a man than his own jugular vein." (50.16) What is it that is so immediate and intimate to us? How do you account for or explain this?


According to Huston Smith, Buddhism rejected the following six elements of religion. After you pare these away, what’s left???

1.) Religion must be devoid of authority.
“Do not accept what you hear by report, do not accept tradition, do not accept a statement because it is found in our books, nor because it is in accord with your believe, nor because it is the saying of your teacher. Be lamps onto yourselves. Those who, either now or after I am dead, shall rely upon themselves only and not look for assistance to anyone besides themselves, it is they who shall reach the topmost height.”

2.) Religion must be devoid of ritual.
Is it the ritual that is effective or is it the mind of the person participating in the ritual? For example, the Upanishads came to be by internalizing the efficacy of the external rituals advocated by the earlier Vedas.

3.) Religion must be devoid of speculation/explanation.
“A man went to the Buddha insisting on answers…, but the Buddha instead put a question to him: "If you were shot by a poison arrow, and a doctor was summoned to extract it, what would you do? Would you ask such questions as who shot the arrow, from which tribe did he come, who made the arrow, who made the poison, etc., or would you have the doctor immediately pull out the arrow?"
"Of course," replied the man, "I would have the arrow pulled out as quickly as possible." The Buddha concluded, "That is wise, for the task before us is the solving of life's problems; until the problems are solved, these questions are of secondary importance."

4.) Religion must be devoid of tradition.
The fact alone that your parents did something or practiced something does not in any way imply that what they did was meaningful.

5.) Religion must be devoid of grace.
We are ultimately responsible for our actions. No person of god can intervene on our behalf and walk our path for us. Sure, a good teacher can tell us the best route and about what dangers to avoid, but ultimately we are the ones who ultimately have to walk it... alone.

6.) Religion must be devoid of the supernatural.
“It is because I perceive danger in the practice of mystic wonders that I strongly discourage it.” -&#346&#257kyamuni Buddha
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  1. zolof's Avatar
    i believe that extratarrestrials visited our ancient ancestors and religion is based off how the people of that time percieved what was happening. stories of modern day and back then ufo sitings can be tied together in many ways. that wuld be the core. but over time was twisted and changed into what people belive today. another thought is people think its the answer to everything that exists now and what heppens after death. most individuals are afraid of thinking of the scientific way, and religion answers why we are here and how, witch would be why they have such fascination
  2. carson's Avatar
    some good ideas, most of them self contradictory. For instance, religion must be this or that, but must not defer to authority? To smooth out the dogma, you'd have to phrase it in terms that authority couldn't hold, such as "Religious experience may be this or that and could also be this."

    Point 1 seems to missing a context, a clear definition, or is a blend of capilistic individualism and buddism. Explain how a buddist may be mindful of the effect he has on the world while also believing he is alone in his endeavours. It is logically impossible. He'd have to believe something he knew was wrong.

    Point 3 also suffers the same circular riddle, falling into same traps as Dao in describing the indescribable. The natural conclusion to point 3 is that religion should not be thought about or discussed, simply experienced. Perhaps it's only truth is that religious experience is not cerebral or sensual.

    Point 4 contradicts point 2: suggesting that without tradition, there would be no Upanishads and that since they are an extension of tradition, they are inherently wrong. But point 4 also echoes the infinity of the indesribable in that it suggests that all religion has no basis, but it still exists, so anything and everything is religious (a concept of Islam, if I remember correctly).

    Speaking of Islam, point five contradicts the words of Mohammad. And also christianity. It would be an interesting discussion, if we were allowed to discuss religion, under this new regime.

    Point six is a curious departure fromt he others. One man's fears transferred, presumably, to his disciples. I would have thought any prophet worth his salt would have caught it himself.
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