Function positions and effects (INTJ help wanted!)

Here's some thoughts on how a position of a cognitive function effects personality. The people who have introverted feeling as their dominant function are very different from the people who have introverted feeling as their inferior function. I have sketched the functions Te, Fi, Ne and Si. If there are INTJs out there, help from you guys would be greatly appreciated, because you guys seem to be able to improve everything.

primary Te: goal-oriented, forceful, achieving
secondary Te: deductive, steady pace
tertiary Te: disorganized, bursts of organizing
inferior Te: slow at tasks, unachieving

primary Fi: sensitive, easily hurt
secondary Fi: mindful of others, personal
tertiary Fi: acknowledges, unemotional
inferior Fi: cold-hearted, impersonal

primary Ne: big picture, creative, tests out alternatives
secondary Ne: contemplates alternatives, imaginative
tertiary Ne: somewhat open to alternatives / one odd idea
inferior Ne: catastrophizing / one crazy idea

primary Si: excellent memory, by the book
secondary Si: good memory, needs procedures
tertiary Si: misleading memory, remembers somewhat
inferior Si: terrible memory, ignores details

* based on my experiences and loosely on function descriptions, I've tried to take into account whether the function is used by an introvert or an extrovert in the particular position - I can be wrong, so correct me in that case, please

Then we can come up with these kinds of short descriptions:

ENFP: Ne: big picture, creative, tests out alternatives; Fi: mindful of others, personal; Te: disorganized, bursts of organizing; Si: terrible memory, ignores details
INFP: Fi: sensitive, easily hurt; Ne: contemplates alternatives, imaginative; Si: misleading memory, remembers somewhat; Te: slow at tasks, unachieving
ESTJ: Te: goal-oriented, forceful, achieving; Si: good memory, needs procedures; Ne: somewhat open to alternatives / one odd idea; Fi: cold-hearted, impersonal
ISTJ: Si: excellent memory, by the book; Te: deductive, steady pace; Fi: acknowledges, unemotional; Ne: catastrophizing / one crazy idea

Do you have any ideas how the functions could be crystallized? We need some introverted thinking here! Can someone come up with descriptions for the other four functions? I'm not too familiar with the rest...

So someone without Si doesn't have any memory? So an ISTJ who suddenly develops Amnesia is no longer an ISTJ? Si is not memory, at all. Memory is NOT used at all by Jungian Functions, and Jung has even said that memory is in a completely different area. , Si is being able to use accumulated sensory raw data. It works as developing templates to absorbing new information. This means, it sets up a vase based on sensory data that Te or Fe will fill up.

You aren't going to get a lot of people helping you with Fi is the you're stating "easily hurt" at it's best (primary function). Fi is also not emotions, it is values. An IxFP can go years without shedding a single tear. Again, sensitivity does not make the cognitive functions.

Please do a Ni, Fe, Ti, Se, one if you can. Any reason you need help from INTJs?

You should do Ni Ti Fe Se as well.

Woah.. fairly typist here.... I have been an INFP for years, and I never underachieved. Bloomin heck. Did I fight for my values? Damn right, I did.

Instead of seeing it this way, how about this?

INFP: Fi: sensitive, easily hurt; Ne: contemplates alternatives, imaginative; Si: misleading memory, remembers somewhat; Te: slow at tasks, unachieving


INFP: Fi: sensitive to people's needs, service orientated, cares for colleagues' feelings (?) ; Ne: intuitive without any input, can get on with task, imaginative solution in any emergency situation; Si: uses previous sensory experiences, therefore can also refine solutions and from trial and error ; Te: can think very indepth to any solution, theory, and cross-functional concepts, and understandings


I have no idea why you think INFP are underachievers. I myself is a science graduate and have been working in IT in demanding analytical positions for around 10 years... I have been able to handle screaming customers, local council members, managers, and to calm them down, and solve issues asap. I have no idea why you think we cannot be realistic creative individuals... Both external and internal customers. If anything, I think we cover too many angles, and therefore can sometimes stuck in an analysis paralysis situation, because we care for too many people's demands, and also to think of an overall "win-win" situation....

Have you offended my by your stereotype and is my Fi at work here? Darn right. Am I being petty? Yep! There you go. Fi at work, cos you misused a seriously good concept, and you stereotypes it, and I can also bet my bottom dollar that there are a set of individuals within your vicinity, who you will "judge" based on what you wrote above, and how you think of them etc. Call it my human intuition. All I can say is, I hope God is looking out for them... cos based on what you wrote, it isn't going to be fun for them at all.

Originally Posted by Mei

Woah.. fairly typist here.... I have been an INFP for years, and I never underachieved. Bloomin heck. Did I fight for my values? Damn right, I did.

Instead of seeing it this way, how about this?

INFP: Fi: sensitive, easily hurt; Ne: contemplates alternatives, imaginative; Si: misleading memory, remembers somewhat; Te: slow at tasks, unachieving


INFP: Fi: sensitive to people's needs, service orientated, cares for colleagues' feelings (?) ; Ne: intuitive without any input, can get on with task, imaginative solution in any emergency situation; Si: uses previous sensory experiences, therefore can also refine solutions and from trial and error ; Te: can think very indepth to any solution, theory, and cross-functional concepts, and understandings


I have no idea why you think INFP are underachievers. I myself is a science graduate and have been working in IT in demanding analytical positions for around 10 years... I have been able to handle screaming customers, local council members, managers, and to calm them down, and solve issues asap. I have no idea why you think we cannot be realistic creative individuals... Both external and internal customers. If anything, I think we cover too many angles, and therefore can sometimes stuck in an analysis paralysis situation, because we care for too many people's demands, and also to think of an overall "win-win" situation....

Have you offended my by your stereotype and is my Fi at work here? Darn right. Am I being petty? Yep! There you go. Fi at work, cos you misused a seriously good concept, and you stereotypes it, and I can also bet my bottom dollar that there are a set of individuals within your vicinity, who you will "judge" based on what you wrote above, and how you think of them etc. Call it my human intuition. All I can say is, I hope God is looking out for them... cos based on what you wrote, it isn't going to be fun for them at all.

Exactly like this... INFPs are not fluffy underachievers who must be stepped on.

You have a very flawed misconception of some of these functions. Also remember, it's not how each function behaves on it's own, but it's the dynamic between them. An ISTP is not 50% like an INTP... they are two different subjects whose internal dynamic reason through things in different planes.

Originally Posted by Jorge

So someone without Si doesn't have any memory?

Si is not memory and is not related to memory.
Si acts based on the past. If something was done in the past worked, it will most likely work again. Immature Si users don't like what's new because what's old already works. Why would you change it? They become more open-minded when developping Ne, though.

Si also perceives information when thinking about the past. Se doms will see a tree, will smell the air, will hear the birds, etc. The information will later be filtered by Ti or Fi. Si doms will be remembered about where they lived when they were a kid, how they used to chase birds, etc. Si relives experiences over and over, this is way they tend to enjoy looking at old pictures of them in the past or doing activities such a scrapbooking so much. Se, however, wishes you could forget an experience just to live it for the first time again. Si thinks this is such a stupid idea, reliving it is so much better than actually living it.

This is why it's absolutely plausible for a Si dom to have a crap memory, they are not related.
Si is about sensation, not information.

Originally Posted by BearRight

tertiary Te: disorganized, bursts of organizing
inferior Te: slow at tasks, unachieving

Young ExFPs tend to be highly messy, happy-go-lucky, etc. When developping Te they become more rigid, less "birds and rainbows". They don't have bursts of organizing. I'm using this one as example, but it works for all types. Functions are something you develop. Some people will even have very strong tertiary functions, stronger than their auxiliary one.

Inferior Te doesn't mean slow at tasks or unachieving at all. Being lazy does. Inferior Te is the IxFP's weakness, you may get sudden insensitive Te bitchslaps when you hurt their Fi values. Te gets more controlled when the Fi dom gets older.

Originally Posted by BearRight

primary Si: excellent memory, by the book
secondary Si: good memory, needs procedures
tertiary Si: misleading memory, remembers somewhat
inferior Si: terrible memory, ignores details

Like I said earlier, Si has nothing to do with memory. Following procedures is actually Te.

Originally Posted by Dino

Si is not memory and is not related to memory.
Si acts based on the past. If something was done in the past worked, it will most likely work again. Immature Si users don't like what's new because what's old already works. Why would you change it? They become more open-minded when developping Ne, though.

Si also perceives information when thinking about the past. Se doms will see a tree, will smell the air, will hear the birds, etc. The information will later be filtered by Ti or Fi. Si doms will be remembered about where they lived when they were a kid, how they used to chase birds, etc. Si relives experiences over and over, this is way they tend to enjoy looking at old pictures of them in the past or doing activities such a scrapbooking so much. Se, however, wishes you could forget an experience just to live it for the first time again. Si thinks this is such a stupid idea, reliving it is so much better than actually living it.

This is why it's absolutely plausible for a Si dom to have a crap memory, they are not related.
Si is about sensation, not information.

Read my entire post :p. It was rhetorical.

Originally Posted by Jorge

Read my entire post :p. It was rhetorical.

You're right. I should try reading more than the first sentence in a post next time. =P
At least it still answers to the OP.

I think Ni as a dom brings insight, as aux-a different way to view something to get Te/Fe dom done, as a tet something about detecting cheaters or something, as inferior I think it's about imagining what could happen/going with the flow.