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Old 07-10-2009, 07:31 AM   #1
 
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In the spirit of John Gray's book, Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus (which I have not read, the title says it all), I am offering some insights on the differences between MBTI Thinkers and Feelers, which I have observed over the years. This is not about men and women, because many of the men I meet are Feelers or Feeler-wannabes; and I suspect there are a comparable number of Thinker women, although I don't meet very many of them.

Although item 6 quotes from a humorous list, this analysis is not intended to be understood as a joke.

1. The labels "Thinker" and "Feeler" are not descriptive of what those people do. Thinkers are not smarter than Feelers, nor are Feelers more sensitive. Thinkers have feelings, and Feelers are able to reason logically. The fundamental difference is the values they hold in highest esteem: Thinkers give priority to Truth and Justice; Feelers give priority to Relationships and affirmation. That's the only difference, and it only applies when truth and affirmation are at odds, which tends to be more often than some people would like to admit. I would consider the labels unfortunate, except that any labels would soon develop the same or similar problems (see #5 below).

2. Thinkers are able to honestly recognize Feeler values in other people and adjust their actions accordingly. Given sufficient motivation (such as preserving a relationship that depends on it, or keeping one's job), Feelers are willing to put aside their distaste for disaffirmation to deal with uncomfortable truths. In neither case is that their respective preference.

3. Science and technology require an absolutely honest understanding of nature and physics, for which Thinker values work best. Educational institutions and the arts are more successful using Feeler values. Competitive activities like sports are more successful with an honest assessment of the competition and the factors that lead to excellence, which again favors Thinker values. Modern business is highly competitive, which dominates any relationship issues they might have with their employees and customers. Some customers will favor good business relationships (Feeler values), but most of them favor quality and price (driven by Thinker values). Democratic governments are sustained by good relationships with other politicians and voters; while the election process is often highly competitive, the relationship issues (Feeler values) tend to dominate political activity. This may not be the case in autocratic regimes, but I don't live under one, so I can't tell.

4. The global and American economy is driven by science and technology and modern business methods -- in other words, by Thinker values. Political and artistic considerations are not as significant as financial and technological issues for achieving wealth and power. This tends to give Thinkers a higher prestige status than Feelers in the public perception.

5. To describe a Thinker as a Thinker is both honest and affirming (because of #4 above), but to describe a Feeler as a Feeler is often felt to be disaffirming or demeaning, for the same reason. Feelers therefore wish to imagine themselves Thinkers, regardless of the facts. Just as there is only one answer to the question, "Are you lying?" (No), regardless of whether the respondent is telling the truth or lying, so also everybody wants to tell you they are a Thinker: the actual Thinkers follow their own values by telling the truth, and the Feelers also affirm their own values in lying about it -- but in doing so they violate the values they falsely claim of themselves.

6. Feelers tend to see an insult in every remark except those that are clearly complimentary -- and in some of those too. Thinkers tend to find truth in every remark except those that are clearly lies -- and in some of those too. There is a half-serious anonymous list of "The Guy's Rules" going around, one of which reads

If something we said can be interpreted two ways and one of them makes you sad or angry, then we meant the other one.
This is a good insight.
7. The American church (including the churches under its influence worldwide) is run by and for the exclusive benefit of Feelers. Thinkers are invited, but only if they agree to pretend to be Feelers. Some Thinkers succeed at the charade, most just stay away. Truth is, after all, their highest value. The Bible is more balanced, giving a slight preference to Thinker values, but an overwhelming preference to Truth over "relationship". The church power structure mostly ignores the Bible when promoting their Feeler values as "Christian".

8. Feelers believe it is important to say they love you, and to hear you say it to them, because that is affirming; Thinkers prefer to do loving things, and to see correspondence between the words and the deeds, because correspondence to reality is the test of truth.


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Great article, thanks for sharing :)
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Sweet. Nice article.
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Great article,

I especially like point number 7 regarding churches. I've always felt awkward holding hands, and raising my arms during services.I faked it to a point but eventually I did my own thing.

The Bible is a very logical book, and yet some churches downplay, or even ignore the logic, much to the isolation of the thinkers.
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This has clarified something for me. I teach lateral thinking skills, do science, and program computers. I am firmly in the Thinker camp. Early on I found great difficulty in teaching and interacting with some people. I started to recognise their approach to the world was focussed more on emotion than truth. In 2003 I worked on a community visioning project and my understanding of feelers and my experiences with them helped enormously to include them in the project (dominated by thinkers) and get excellent contributions from them.

I might add that many of the feelers contributions were outside of the thinkers capabilities and would normally not have been accepted. Too often the different frame of reference causes these two groups to reject one another's input because they don't recognise the values involved. Learning to bridge that gap is very important.
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brilliant article!
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This has clarified something for me. I teach lateral thinking skills, do science, and program computers. I am firmly in the Thinker camp.
I am confused, you are in our camp because you think we are cool? Cause you are a feeler according to your profile.
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This was very helpful. Thanks! I'm still trying to understand this function, and have never been able to reach a conclusion for myself in this area. If anyone would like to give an assessment of my T/F function based on my answers below, please feel free.

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Thinkers give priority to Truth and Justice; Feelers give priority to Relationships and affirmation. That's the only difference, and it only applies when truth and affirmation are at odds, which tends to be more often than some people would like to admit.
100% thinker on this one. Truth and justice are the ultimate priority for me.

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Science and technology require an absolutely honest understanding of nature and physics, for which Thinker values work best. Educational institutions and the arts are more successful using Feeler values.
50/50 split on this one, minus the educational institutions (which would not suit my values).

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Competitive activities like sports are more successful with an honest assessment of the competition and the factors that lead to excellence, which again favors Thinker values.
I have a very strong aversion to competitive activities, but love to challenge myself in solitary physical activities and fitness endeavors.

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Modern business is highly competitive, which dominates any relationship issues they might have with their employees and customers. Some customers will favor good business relationships (Feeler values), but most of them favor quality and price (driven by Thinker values).
More of a thinker on this one.

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Democratic governments are sustained by good relationships with other politicians and voters; while the election process is often highly competitive, the relationship issues (Feeler values) tend to dominate political activity.
I hate politics! No interest whatsoever in getting involved. The relationship issues have never had an effect on me.

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The global and American economy is driven by science and technology and modern business methods -- in other words, by Thinker values. Political and artistic considerations are not as significant as financial and technological issues for achieving wealth and power. This tends to give Thinkers a higher prestige status than Feelers in the public perception.
Somewhat split on this one. Again, I hate politics. But I also absolutely don't care about wealth, power, prestige, or the "public's perception". I don't live my life based on status or the opinions of society, so I have no problem admitting that I'd prefer to be an artist or something of that nature, in which I can express my creative side. Although my interest in science is strong, I don't want it to dominate my entire life and mind. I want more of a balance. I suppose my mindset and lifestyle are very bohemian (more feeler?...but not sure this would only apply to feelers).

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To describe a Thinker as a Thinker is both honest and affirming, but to describe a Feeler as a Feeler is often felt to be disaffirming or demeaning, for the same reason. Feelers therefore wish to imagine themselves Thinkers, regardless of the facts.
I can't relate to this, because I don't agree that being a feeler is demeaning...at least not from my perspective.

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Feelers tend to see an insult in every remark except those that are clearly complimentary -- and in some of those too. Thinkers tend to find truth in every remark except those that are clearly lies -- and in some of those too.
I'm not sure exactly how to interpret this one. They both seem to fall too far to the extreme to describe me.

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The American church (including the churches under its influence worldwide) is run by and for the exclusive benefit of Feelers. Thinkers are invited, but only if they agree to pretend to be Feelers. Some Thinkers succeed at the charade, most just stay away. Truth is, after all, their highest value. The Bible is more balanced, giving a slight preference to Thinker values, but an overwhelming preference to Truth over "relationship". The church power structure mostly ignores the Bible when promoting their Feeler values as "Christian".
Bravo!! I agree with this thinker/feeler assessment completely. Very interesting. I personally despise organized religion, but definitely not the concept of God. I've never been able to "act the feeler part", and never felt any unity with the lovey/dovey people there. I especially have an aversion to churches that try to whip people into a religious frenzy. However, I am a spiritual person, but it's a solitary, truth-seeking, and internally-driven process for me, in which I still have many unanswered questions. Not sure where this puts me in the F/T range.

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Feelers believe it is important to say they love you, and to hear you say it to them, because that is affirming; Thinkers prefer to do loving things, and to see correspondence between the words and the deeds, because correspondence to reality is the test of truth.
I'm a thinker on this one. I don't seem to have a need for verbal affirmation where human relationships are concerned. Words are meaningless without deeds.

I guess the bottom line is that I'm weird.
I think I should stick with "X". It's the only thing that seems to fit me.
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