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Dominant-Tertiary Loops and Common Personality Disorders

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Dominant-Tertiary Loops and Common Personality Disorders​


People often ask, why can't my top two functions both be introverted (or extroverted)? The answer is that they can, but that this invariably causes personality imbalance/disorders, and if this is the case for you, you may not be the type you think you are.

Lately I've been noticing that a lot of typological mistakes and misreads are the result of a couple of incorrect assumptions about functional structure. I'd like to dedicate this article to describing the phenomenon known as Dominant-Tertiary Loops, where the natural secondary function is suppressed, poorly developed or otherwise not valued as highly by the individual's ego as the tertiary function.

First let's remember that the standard function arrangements of the 16 types merely represent the ideal balances for each of sixteen different ways to conceptualize ourselves and reality. In reality, they don't always show up in exactly that order of emphasis. Let's look at an example:

To start with I'll use my own type, ENTP. Here's our functional breakdown:
Dominant Ne
Secondary Ti
Tertiary Fe
Inferior Si

But what happens if Ti is poorly developed? This most commonly happens because the tertiary function's common directional orientation with the dominant can make it seem more comfortable than the secondary! Our perception (obviously) relies on Ne, but with Ti not doing its job, we're forced to relinquish judgment to the tertiary (and less able) Fe.

We end up with Ne+Fe as the most dominant attitudes. If you don't see why this is a problem, consider the significance of intro/extroversion:

Extroverted attitudes attempt to make the inner self more like the outer world's objective ideal.
Introverted attitudes attempt to make the outer world more like the inner self's subjective ideal.
A balanced psyche requires significant influence from both internal and external stimuli--too much introversion and we retreat entirely into ourselves and ignore all outer world influence to an unhealthy degree; too much extroversion and we are not able to remain in touch with what is important to our subjective internal selves, and become far too dependent upon external conditions and attitudes of others.

All too commonly I see people make the mistake of assuming that using T more than F automatically makes an xxTx type. In a healthy, balanced individual that's true, but when an ego becomes more dependent on the tertiary than the secondary, that's no longer the case.

For instance, I once mistook an INFJ for INTJ because he had poor secondary Fe and relied primarily on Ni+Ti. At the time I used only MBTI sliding scales and didn't know functions yet, so since I saw primarily N and T I figured he would be an NT type. To the casual observer he would appear to be using N over S, and T over F, so he must be an NT type, right? Wrong! He is not an NT type unless his iNtuition and Thinking are oriented in opposite directions.

One really interesting result of this confusion is that each dom-tert loop type starts to look very similar to the dom-tert loop form of the type sharing only its first letter! For example:

INTJ: Ni (Te) Fi Se

ISFP: Fi (Se) Ni Te

This is exactly why many unbalanced personalities have difficulty fitting themselves into a single Jungian archetype. Unsurprisingly, if the INTJ above would improve his Te, and the ISFP would improve his Se, each would balance out the monopoly introverted attitudes currently have on his perspective and lead himself to much greater personal balance and contentment.

For example: A certain user on typologycentral agonized over her type for months, creating numerous long threads and repeatedly changing her mind. My initial impression was ENFP, which I shared but which she promptly rejected. After reading about function attitudes she described Te and Ne as her most prominent functions--at this point I changed my guess to ESTJ, which may seem like a bizarre jump if you don't understand dom/tert loop functions, but it's really not:

ENFP: Ne (Fi) Te Si

ESTJ: Te (Si) Ne Fi

So if you pick up mainly Ne and Te in someone, don't presume that he's an NT type--in fact, he's probably not. Depending on which is dominant, he is most likely either ENFP (Ne+Te with poor Fi) or ESTJ (Te+Ne with poor Si).

Ironically, this user's primary personality imbalance was poorly developed secondary Fi--it turned out she actually was an ENFP providing a perfect example of over-dependence on extroverted attitudes. She reported placing far too much emphasis on the approval of others and couldn't introspect enough to figure out which type was really her. Without a strong introverted function she was left a poor sense of individual self, and showed it through her dependence on the opinions of others to determine her type. She was looking everywhere but the right place--inside.

So how does this over-dependence on introversion (or extroversion) manifest itself in each type? I believe this phenomenon is responsible for (or at least involved with) a lot of common personality disorders:


ENTP/ESFJ: Ne/Fe or Fe/Ne--Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This type often behaves impulsively and manipulatively, needing constant approval and admiration from others, running around investing in new thing after new thing but never developing the self-confidence of a strong subjective perspective. Fe used negatively may use its awareness of the cultural standards of others to intentionally offend or upset them, in order to service Ne's curiosity about the patterns in their responses. If Ti/Si were working properly, it would give the user a balancing sense of personal, subjective importance and free him of his dependence upon the adulation and unconditional acceptance of others. (Horrible example: Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.)


INTP/ISFJ: Ti/Si or Si/Ti--Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I see this most commonly in INTP dom/tert loops (Ti+Si), resulting in totally giving up on attempting to obtain the social/interpersonal connections that inferior Fe drives them to unconsciously desire. Schizotypal people are seen (and typically see themselves) as having such unusual thoughts and behaviors that widespread social acceptance is nearly impossible. Ti thinks, "I cannot find any logical explanation for social rituals" and Si reinforces this self-isolating, risk-averse behavior by constantly reminding the user: "Remember how badly this went last time you tried?" If Ne were doing its job, it would remind the user to continue experimenting to find a new approach. In the ISFJ version, Si becomes ultra risk-averse and refuses to try anything new or unfamiliar. If Fe were doing its job, the ISFJ would learn that some risk is necessary in order to uphold obligations to others and avoid living in total solitude. Deep down, these types really do want social connection and ritual (Fe), but have found themselves so poor at it that they simply give up trying.


ESTP/ENFJ: Se/Fe or Fe/Se--Histrionic Personality Disorder. This tends to manifest itself in terms of exaggerated, aggressive sexual behavior and physical impulsiveness. Since reflecting the outer world is the only thing that matters, whatever will shock, impress, or otherwise affect others enough to include the user in their social rituals is what has to be done. Real empathy is rare as this type requires constant thrills or conflict--in the ENFJ version, this often results in excessive sensitivity to perceived "rudeness" or failure to respect the user's preferred cultural custom (Fe), combined with tertiary Se responding aggressively through implied threats of brute force. (e.g., Vito Corleone: "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse"--gives a surface appearance of respecting the cultural standards of negotiation, but implies that refusal to accept this "offer" would be quite unpleasant for the recipient!) If Ti/Ni were doing its job, the user would find a sense of balance and comfortability with himself, granting him the ability to discover what is subjectively important to him, rather than constantly shifting with the tide of cultural and social trends.


ISTP/INFJ: Ti/Ni or Ni/Ti--Schizoid Personality Disorder. These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. They live in their own abstract worlds, constantly second-guessing themselves as Ti poses a framework for a problem and Ni shoots it down as too definitionally precise. Without any real external input, these two functions will dream up all sorts of elaborate systems and implications for them, only to repeat their own self-defeating behavior, never bothering to emphasize putting any of its intense ideas into practice. Frequent disregard for rules, laws and other forms of behavioral standards is common, as no function provides any significant sense of external influence. If Se/Fe were doing its job, the user would recognize the value of connecting with others and of paying attention to their needs, preferences, habits and appearances.


ESFP/ENTJ: Se/Te or Te/Se--Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (not the same thing as OCD)! I've seen people mistake ESFPs in Se+Te dom-tert loops for ESTPs because they can be so insistent upon controlling their surroundings. These types epitomize enneagram type 8, as they are aggressive, blunt, confrontational and not the least bit afraid of hurting anyone's feelings. Inside they require the approval of others to a much higher degree than they let on, as Te insists on controlling and organizing external surroundings to ridiculous proportions, while Se pushes any naysayers out of the way with aggressive force and a take-no-prisoners attitude. Territorial and looking for any reason to display their power, these types are some of the most difficult to deal with of all dom-tert loops. If Fi/Ni were doing its job, these types would stop to consider that their actions have negative implications for others, and that aggressively taking charge is not always the best solution in every situation.


ISFP/INTJ: Fi/Ni or Ni/Fi--Paranoid Personality Disorder. These types are your typical conspiracy theorists; they cling deeply to their personal values and can find a conspiracy to assault or attack those values everywhere they look. Chronically distrustful of others' intentions for no legitimate reason, these types are certain they are the only ones who really know "the truth." The inferior function, Te or Se, can sometimes lead to an unconscious desire to attract the attention of or lead/organize others in efforts to expose the nefarious conspiracies they invariably see everywhere. If Te/Se were doing its job, these types would be able to look around them and observe empirical evidence that most of their theories are probably not reflected in reality, but as they rely almost entirely on internal validation, Ni will go to any lengths to justify Fi's emotion-based suspicions. (I mentioned Dale Gribble from King of the Hill in a previous article--he's a perfect example.) There's also this guy Victor on typologycentral who's such a perfect example of this it's absolutely ridiculous. ;)


ENFP/ESTJ: Ne/Te or Te/Ne--Borderline Personality Disorder. The ENFP I described above may have been one of these types. They simultaneously desire to control and dazzle others with their extraordinary leadership and grandiose performances. For the ENFP, this tends to take the form of insisting on consistent, scheduled attention from others for his/her artistic or creative gifts, while for the ESTJ it tends to manifest itself in terms of indignation when others refuse to follow every detail of the user's "visionary" leadership style. This combination, ironically, makes the user extremely dependent upon others for meaning, never really finding a sense of internal balance, no matter how hard he works to create and delegate. While Te leads these types to desire structure and discipline, Ne continually contradicts it by insisting on impulsive displays of creative freedom. Often self-denigrating over the inability to control Ne's impulsive explorations, Te will go to any lengths to keep the user in a position of power and influence, where others must defer to his authority. If Fi/Si were doing its job, these types would recognize that what they're looking for cannot be found outside themselves--they must learn to sometimes live for themselves and only themselves, and forget about external results for a moment.


INFP/ISTJ: Fi/Si or Si/Fi--Avoidant Personality Disorder. Often scarred by some intensely negative past experience with opening up too many of their private emotions, this type compulsively avoids social situations and interaction with others. They are fiercely sensitive and may exaggerate or misconstrue perceived negative emotional intent in the words or actions of others. They will sometimes project their negative feelings onto others (Fi), as Si tells them that if I were to behave this way, I would have to be very upset, so anyone who behaves that way must also be. These types often have a chronic problem with trusting the intentions or motivations of others, refusing to share private information with even their closest friends and family. They are so deeply sensitive that they refuse to risk being hurt by attempting deep connections with others--you'll see this a lot in ISTJs with Asperger's. If Ne/Te were doing its job, these types would maintain a heathy grip on the importance of letting go of the past and trying something new in the name of accomplishing a greater goal, but some of these remain total recluses for most (if not all) of their lives.

^Side note on the above: I believe this is the case for the currently banned user JTG1984, as he consistently describes his strongest functions as Si and Fi. He identified as ISFJ, but I believe he simply assumed that using more F than T must make him an F type, which it doesn't. He displays little to no Fe, and thus is probably not an FJ type. He seems most likely to be an ISTJ dom-tert loop, Si+Fi.


I guess that about covers it for today. If anyone wants to share their experiences with any of these or suggest a different personality disorder to associate with any group, knock yourselves out.

Until next time,
SW
 
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#261 ·
getting in touch with one's own feelings can be stressful due to self-judgement and internalised criticism. but, it's simply another challenge to overcome.
 
#267 ·
@ virginia

Yes, I am an Fi user. I am an ENFP, and all xxFP types are Fi users. Also explain in more detail why you think that you are an INFP.

@ Reicheru

That's interesting. I actually have the same problems (and believe it or not) I also have a heavy Fe.
 
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#268 ·
The 2 MBTI types that have Fi as dominant function are both P (ISFP and INFP), so there might be a correlation.
 
#281 ·
this is interesting! perhaps i test slightly high on Fi due to being in shadow mode throughout most of my younger years (i engaged heavily in the defense mechanism known as splitting... something that non-permanently rubbed off on me from my BPD dad). however now i am healthy, i'm a very sit-on-the-fence and examine from all sides sort of person, valuing an all-win solution over retribution, et cetera. :)
 
#286 ·
But what happens if Ti is poorly developed? This most commonly happens because the tertiary function's common directional orientation with the dominant can make it seem more comfortable than the secondary! Our perception (obviously) relies on Ne, but with Ti not doing its job, we're forced to relinquish judgment to the tertiary (and less able) Fe.
Since this thread started, has anyone actually considered what is being implied in having such a loop? A couple of things to consider. First Jung’s theory is violated when claiming a truly dominant function can become so weak to allow the tertiary function to alternate. Referring back to his recap of his auxiliary function, Jung says to be the dominant function it must be the most differentiated and strongest in conscious:
The products of all the functions can be conscious, but we speak of the consciousness of a function only when not merely its application is at the disposal of the will, but when at the same time its principle is decisive for the orientation of consciousness. The latter event is true when, for instance, thinking is not a mere pondering but when its decisions possess an absolute validity, so that the logical conclusion in a given case holds good, whether as motive or as guarantee of practical action, without the backing of any further evidence.

This absolute sovereignty always belongs, empirically, to one function alone, and can belong only to one function, since the equally independent intervention of another function would necessarily yield a different orientation, which would at least partially contradict the first. But, since it is a vital condition for the conscious adaptation-process that constantly clear and unambiguous aims should be in evidence, the presence of a second function of equivalent power is naturally forbidden'
The use of the word loop itself implies an alternating between dominant and the so-called tertiary (another story). This again violates the principle set by Jung that to be truly a dominant function, it must be differentiated. For the theory to work the dominant function would have to be undifferentiated. But then Jung says:
As soon as they reached the same level of differentiation, they would cause a change of attitude which would contradict the tendency of the dominant function. For they would convert the judging attitude into a perceiving one; whereupon the principle of rationality indispensable to thought would be suppressed in favor of the irrationality of mere perception. Hence this is possible and useful only in so far as it serves the leading function, without making any claim to the autonomy of its own principle.
In other words, you stop being a Ti, Ni, Ne, Fe, etc. dominant type and take on the flavor of an introverting/extraverting type with the opposite function.

The next point is not based on theory, but the practical application of the descriptions given. As I have said before, the descriptions do not replicate a use of alternating between a dominant and third function loop. I have cleaned up the descriptions by removing any words that would lead to biasness:
I cannot find any logical explanation for social rituals. Remember how badly this went last time you tried? Deep down, these types really do want social connection and ritual, but have found themselves so poor at it that they simply give up trying. These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. They live in their own abstract worlds, constantly second-guessing themselves posing a framework for a problem and shooting it down as too precise. Without any real external input, these two functions will dream up all sorts of elaborate systems and implications for them, only to repeat their own self-defeating behavior, never bothering to emphasize putting any of its intense ideas into practice. Frequent disregard for rules, laws and other forms of behavioral standards is common, as no function provides any significant sense of external influence. These types are your typical conspiracy theorists; they cling deeply to their personal values and can find a conspiracy to assault or attack those values everywhere they look. Chronically distrustful of others' intentions for no legitimate reason, these types are certain they are the only ones who really know "the truth." Often scarred by some intensely negative past experience with opening up too many of their private emotions, this type compulsively avoids social situations and interaction with others. They are fiercely sensitive and may exaggerate or misconstrue perceived negative emotional intent in the words or actions of others. They will sometimes project their negative feelings onto others when thinking that if I were to behave this way, I would have to be very upset, so anyone who behaves that way must also be. These types often have a chronic problem with trusting the intentions or motivations of others, refusing to share private information with even their closest friends and family. They are so deeply sensitive that they refuse to risk being hurt by attempting deep connections with others--
I suspect that a true introverting type can go through this list and realize they relate to 50-75% of the description or has at least experienced similar thoughts at some time in life. Not only does the descriptions not refer to an alternating between dominant-tertiary, but it’s not restricted to any given function. This description relates to the consciousness of introversion itself.
 
#289 ·
Since this thread started, has anyone actually considered what is being implied in having such a loop? A couple of things to consider. First Jung’s theory is violated when claiming a truly dominant function can become so weak to allow the tertiary function to alternate.... I suspect that a true introverting type can go through this list and realize they relate to 50-75% of the description or has at least experienced similar thoughts at some time in life. Not only does the descriptions not refer to an alternating between dominant-tertiary, but it’s not restricted to any given function. This description relates to the consciousness of introversion itself.
Hello F.A.,

(I'm going to use a contrived notation here for summary: F(), here indicates "Function", and the (V) or (v) indicates ones preferred and non-preferred "'verted's" respectively)

Perhaps I didn't interpret the OP correctly, but the "take home" message for me was not so much alternation of F(V)-Dom and F(V)-Tert, but rather deactivation of F(v)-Aux. The "loop" aspect, I think gets to the notion that the "heteroverted" F(v)-Aux normally balances our ever-dominant F(V)-Dom. My perception of the post (could be way off), was essentially, healthy people need to spend a little time inside (I) and outside (E); when F(V)-Tert (which in my case, likes the indoors too) takes over as wingman, it becomes our dominant function's "yes man", basically, a "psychic enabler". So, my Ni-Dom cooks up stuff, and without serious consideration of new, real world input from Fe-Aux, my Ti-Tert happily goes to work rationalizing it unopposed, and so Ni-Dom keeps cooking, and so on, and so forth... The progression to Disorder is obviously much more severe, but it seems natural that each type would start down a familiar path to get there...

(Sorry for the food and drink-laden analogies; Fe-Aux is obviously in the building today... However, before I knew anything about this type theory stuff though, I noticed I have a sort of off-switch for my humanity under heavy stress; I don't become malignant, more like "robotic", and maddeningly analytical... I think that's why the OP resonated with me.)
 
#287 ·
So I wanna know. What happens when you're diagnosed with both schizoid personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive personality disorder? And or possible AS?
 
#291 ·
@Quelzalcoatl i love your signature - and also your name, it's a favourite word of mine. :)

sorry i cannot input anything a bit more substantial into this conversation... i think i'd like to get ahold of some of Jung's original works before comparing notes.

@QuirkyCouple i understand what you are saying. although, i must say, when it comes to unecessary conflict or bias i also tend to litter my words with implicit sarcasm and cold observations in order to disassemble a growing complication/knock someone down a few pegs. :p sometimes, in order to keep the peace, you have to point out a few harsh truths.
i laughed when i first read about Fe; it's so me! i could sit on the fence all day, even if i feel in my bones someone may well be mistaken i hate seeing a disagreement tip one-way - we're all human, we all afford each other some cordial depth of understanding, even if my POV disagrees with someone else's so thoroughly i could poke holes in their perceptions... but if someone's going out of their way to be unpleasant and lose objectivity, well, that's pretty much all the rationalisation i need to abandon fighting their corner for them, leap to Ti (and Ni, and possibly Se) and take them to pieces.
 
#293 ·
Brilliant OP.
 
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#294 ·
I'll be honest, been there done that bought the T-shirt. Some part of my ISFP self is still a bit of a conspiracy theorist.

Thanks for the good giggle. xD
 
#295 ·

INFP/ISTJ: Fi/Si or Si/Fi--Avoidant Personality Disorder. Often scarred by some intensely negative past experience with opening up too many of their private emotions, this type compulsively avoids social situations and interaction with others. They are fiercely sensitive and may exaggerate or misconstrue perceived negative emotional intent in the words or actions of others. They will sometimes project their negative feelings onto others (Fi), as Si tells them that if I were to behave this way, I would have to be very upset, so anyone who behaves that way must also be. These types often have a chronic problem with trusting the intentions or motivations of others, refusing to share private information with even their closest friends and family. They are so deeply sensitive that they refuse to risk being hurt by attempting deep connections with others--you'll see this a lot in ISTJs with Asperger's. If Ne/Te were doing its job, these types would maintain a heathy grip on the importance of letting go of the past and trying something new in the name of accomplishing a greater goal, but some of these remain total recluses for most (if not all) of their lives.

^Side note on the above: I believe this is the case for the currently banned user JTG1984, as he consistently describes his strongest functions as Si and Fi. He identified as ISFJ, but I believe he simply assumed that using more F than T must make him an F type, which it doesn't. He displays little to no Fe, and thus is probably not an FJ type. He seems most likely to be an ISTJ dom-tert loop, Si+Fi.


I guess that about covers it for today. If anyone wants to share their experiences with any of these or suggest a different personality disorder to associate with any group, knock yourselves out.

Well sounds like my logic when I'm making paranoid decision lol
it shits really usually just makes me feel uncomfortable and filled with negative - don't have a loop but then again im not always having an easy time in my life


Also...so dangerous of a loop are probably that you can misbehave and get banned from PC? damn it - i better keep myself well normal :O i like this community :D
 
#296 ·
Well now i am scared :D ... I am an ENFP, actually not sure if this is really my true type, so i took a lot of tests and ask people on their opinion :D , but i am still not sure. And bordeline personality disorder? I remember i once read about it and found myself in it pretty much, that there was a time a thought i might have this disorder ...
 
#299 ·
Hi! I just wanted to add that I think the description for the ISTP/INFJ and 'Schizoid Personality Disorder' also works for INTP with Schizoid Personality Disorder.

I'm very, very certain I'm INTP. I have ADHD-Inattentive Type, Schizoid Personality Disorder, and Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (do not meet the diagnostic criteria for Schizotypal Personality Disorder.

While my extraverted sensing is *Very* active - I think the ADHD somehow causes it to not pick up the important bits (Se is characterised by 'scatterbrainedness' which ADHD-pI is also known for). The Schizoid PD also makes my 4th Fe also minimal.

The description in ISTP/INFO 'Schizoid' fits to a 'T' I spend too much time in thought-loops obsessing over some future conflict that may or may not even happen. While when I was younger I fit the " Deep down, these types really do want social connection and ritual (Fe), but have found themselves so poor at it that they simply give up trying." explained in INTP-Schizotypal - but the " These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. " on ISTP-Schizoid fits much, much better now.
 
#305 ·
Interesting read, although I disagree with virtually all of the associated personality disorders.
Yeah. It can be dangerous to start attaching personality disorders to this kind of thing. That aside, this was a fascinating read.
 
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#306 ·
Actually, I found the personality disorder associated with INFP scarily accurate... I tend to make excuses for avoiding interacting with people (unless it's with close friends). I assumed it was because there have been many times in my life where I have been myself and received a negative reaction, as described in the first post. Most of the time I've exaggerated these reactions: it was never as bad in hindsight as it was at the time.

However, I feel like my Ne (my secondary function?) is quite well developed and that it's my Te that desperately needs to improve... Unless I'm just kidding myself about the Ne!

I'm pretty new to this, so I guess I'll have to do some more reading on it!
 
#307 ·
If someone has tried obsessively to determine whether they are ISFP or INFP for an unhealthy amount of time using mainly Fi and what appears to me to be a weak intuitive function (how weak it is I cannot know as I am using very, very, little and likely distorted evidence to make my connections) Does this seem like indication of anything?
I'm isolating myself from other people and activities with how much I second guess myself on my perceptions of mbti (almost all of the time). I know I am insecure however, and the insecurity may be more of the reason for this behaviour than the function itself. Or maybe the insecurity is harnessing a certain function so that I am using it more than is natural.

So?
 
#308 ·
Hmmm. Very interesting. Do any of you think it's possible for, say, an ISTP to be in a Ti-Ni loop, but not totally ignoring the extroverted suppressed judging function, Fe, while still ignoring Se?
 
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INFP/ISTJ: Fi/Si or Si/Fi--Avoidant Personality Disorder. Often scarred by some intensely negative past experience with opening up too many of their private emotions, this type compulsively avoids social situations and interaction with others. They are fiercely sensitive and may exaggerate or misconstrue perceived negative emotional intent in the words or actions of others. They will sometimes project their negative feelings onto others (Fi), as Si tells them that if I were to behave this way, I would have to be very upset, so anyone who behaves that way must also be. These types often have a chronic problem with trusting the intentions or motivations of others, refusing to share private information with even their closest friends and family. They are so deeply sensitive that they refuse to risk being hurt by attempting deep connections with others--you'll see this a lot in ISTJs with Asperger's. If Ne/Te were doing its job, these types would maintain a heathy grip on the importance of letting go of the past and trying something new in the name of accomplishing a greater goal, but some of these remain total recluses for most (if not all) of their lives.
Exaclty! My mom...
With one of my friend.

Jungian Function Rooocks!!!
 
#313 ·
Schizotypical personal disorder, schizoid personal disorder and some histrionic traits (because I love observing), I may be a very bad INFJ-boy. :kitteh: I don't think that Ni-Ti loops are necessarily self-destructing, you have to embrace the silence if you want to do extensive research.
 
#314 ·
I'm an xNTP (most likely ENTP) and I have observed that I have experience both the Ti-Si and Ne-Fe loops.

Ti-Si
- Getting nostalgic about the past
- Rationalizing why the past is better than the present
- Rejecting new people and changes
- Refusing to part with old furniture and objects in your residence
- Magically inferring that going back will make everything alright

Ne-Fe
- Getting obsessed with the concept of popularity
- Always wanting to be admired and praised
- Frequently thinking about how to expand your social status
- Devising innovative ways to connect with people and climbing the social ladder
- Obsession with how you are perceived by other people
- Obsession with your relationships with other people; neglecting goals
- Becoming a sycophant (I hated this part the most)

Interestingly, now that I think about it, both these loops seem to act in conjunction. Initially, my Ne-Fe loop was followed by a Ti-Si loop. Recently, another Ti-Si loop was followed by yet another Ne-Fe loop.

Also, the Ti-Si loop will start with some grievous epiphany and mostly end on a positive note. The Ne-Fe loop will start very well and end on a negative note.

Here's another observation. During the Ne-Fe loop, I was actually enjoying my life.
On the other hand, during the Ti-Si loop, I was mostly grumpy and brooding.
 
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